>From: Vitaly Dubrovner <vitaly@tdsoft.com>
>To: peregrinkrol@hotmail.com
>Subject: RE: klassika vs jazz.
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:37:58 +0200
>
>Fredd, eto i tebe i v list (esli smozhesh', pereshli!)
>
>V principe, prosto hochu podtverdit' tvoi slova. Da, cheloveku mozhet
>nravitsja ili ne nravitsja cvet i forma brillianta, no uvazhajuschij sebja
>da otlichit brilliant ot bizhuterii, ne tak li?
>Odnoznachno mogu skazat', chto Porcupine Tree - ne deshjovka, gruppa ves'ma
>ljubopytnaja, potomu ocherednoj raz prizyvaju teh, kto imeet takuju
>vozmozhnost', no ne slyshal etoj komandy - posetit' koncert. Tot, komu
>blizka po duhu takaja muzyka - nesomnenno poluchit massu udovol'stvij!
>Svojo
>mnenie ja uzhe vyrazil.
>A vot po povodu "odnoznachnosti" vybora Freda - ja by ne speshil. Tochno
>tak, kak jazzovyj muzykant mozhet pereborschit' i vognat' v tosku
>nevoobrazimymi beskonechnymi solo i sbivkami i prochim jazzovym
>"stroitel'nym materialom", esli budet ego lepit' bez razboru - TOCHNO tak
>zhe, primenenie vseh psihodelicheskih i art-sredstv, kak-to slishkom
>mudrjonnyj ritm, izvraschenija so zvukiom v samplerah i klavishah,
>nerazborchivost' v kompozicionnom postroenii mozhet "zagruzit'" do skuki i
>neprijatija... V svojo vremja etimi samymi otricatel'nymi art-rock
>kachestvami, naprimer, greshili Camel, da i Pink Floyd 80-h godov razliva.
>Sil'no etim greshil Mike Oldfield.
>V obschem, iskljuchenija est' vsegda!
>I v ljubom stile muzyki nado umet' otdeljat' zjorna ot plevel.
>A uzh sam vybor stila - eto KARMA! Eto tolko delo vkusa i nikakie
>muz.kritiki i hit-parades i ,mnenija uvazhaemyh ljudej ne pomogut :-) Esli
>vy v principe ne ljubite JAZZ, to i ne stoit naprjagat'sja. To zhe
>kasaetsja
>i drugih progressivnyh techenij v muzyke i sporit' o sem - sotrjasat'
>vozduh
>:=-) Potomu i "priverzhency BG" (kstati, chto ty tak na nego vz'elsja?) u
>menja nikakoj trevogi ne vyzyvajut. Eschjo raz povtorju: Jedem Das Seine
>:-)
>
>Udachi vam,
>s uvazheniem,
> Dubrick
>
>S uvazheniem,
> Dubrick.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Freddy Adra [SMTP:peregrinkrol@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:20 PM
> > To: ru-rock-in-il@lists.neystadt.org
> > Subject: Re: klassika vs jazz.
> >
> >
> > Po povodu klassifikacii Dubrika - polnostyu soglasen.
> > Imenno tak vsyo i proishodit. No v otlichie ot Dubrika, ya odnoznachno
> > predpochitayu pervy variant, t.e. "klassicheskiy". Ko vtoromu otnoshus'
> > ochen' nastorozhenno, dovol'no chasto prihodilos' nablyudat' kak dazhe
> > talantlivye muzykanty, uvlekayas' improvizaciyami, nagonyali takuyu
>tosku,
> >
> > shto azh skuly ot zevoty svodilo. Daleko ne lyuboy muzykant obladaet
> > dostatochnym chuvstvom mery, shtoby ne pereyti tu gran', za kotoroy
> > konchaetsa improvizaciya i nachinaetsa myzykal'ny onanism.
> > Koroche, net u menya doveriya k etim improizatoram.
> >
> > Po povodu Porcupine Tree.
> > Ya vovse ne ozhidal, shto oni ponravyatsa vsem - ne rodilas' escho
>takaya
> > gruppa. No, kak minimum, poznakomit'sa s ih tvorchestvom chelovek,
> > schitayuschiy sebya melomanom, - vozmozhnosti ne upustit. Potomu shto PT
>-
> >
> > eto yavlenie. Ya, naprimer, ne lyublyu Toma Waitsa, no ya zhe priznayu,
> > shto
> > eto glyba, i esli by ne byl znakom s evo tvorchestvom, schital by sebya
> > bednee. S PT ta zhe situaciya - ya slyshal mnenie neskol'kih chelovek,
> > kotorym ona ne nravitsa, no ni odin ne nazval eyo fignyoy.
> > Dubrik teper' mozhet gordo skazat', shto on poproboval i teper' znaet, o
> > chom idyot rech'. A vot te, kotorye mahnuli rukoy so slovami "Porcupine
> > Shmorcupine, ya luchshe svoevo lyubimovo BG v tysyachny raz poslushayu",
> > vyzyvayut u menya trevogu.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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